All Nighter Ahead of Me

"CounterTorqueSteer" (countertorquesteer) 12/07/2014 at 23:26 • Filed to: School

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I'm writing a research paper on the negative environmental impacts of hybrid/electric vehicles. Wish me luck.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:29

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Use all the spite. ALL OF IT.

TheHondaBro > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:30

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I did that my junior year of high school. Basically 7 pages ragging on the Prius.

CounterTorqueSteer > TheHondaBro 12/07/2014 at 23:31

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I did the exact same thing.

bob and john > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:34

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basicly: batteries and special materials need to come from somewhere and those places aint the cleanest.

CounterTorqueSteer > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 23:35

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Ding ding. Now to just say that in 12 pages.

FocusedMark > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:35

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they are a waste unless they are powered with wind/solar based energy, since the energy you get from the plug is probably from a coal plant, and coal plants produce more detrimental to the environment than a gas powered engine.

CounterTorqueSteer > FocusedMark 12/07/2014 at 23:36

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Nailed it.

FocusedMark > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:38

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I am a wildlife biology and conservation major, I dabble in energy and how wasteful we are with it.

LappingLuke > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:40

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Good luck...hope your professor/teacher isn't a blind, raging environmentalist...fat chance...

thedevilinside > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:42

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I made a quick report like this in high school. Only because I had a teacher who had a Prius and I didn't get along with him. Compiled some articles about it, summarized them, etc and left it on his desk. He didn't have much to come back with. Then he left the school for a year.

Came back a year later and I asked him about it. It blew up. Literally, something in the engine exploded.

CounterTorqueSteer > LappingLuke 12/07/2014 at 23:43

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She used to own a Prius

EL_ULY > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:44

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Whoo hooo Toyota Hybrid! FIA WEC Champions!

Can't wait til next season!

LappingLuke > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:45

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Shit well enjoy your F :( at least the year is almost over and any lasting hatred/animosity will be short lived.

JGrabowMSt > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:47

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You can quote me:

Despite the positive impact of hybrid vehicles saving fuel reserves for conventional automobiles, hybrid vehicles have important ramifications that need to be addressed before they should be considered mass-market solutions for fuel conservation on a global level. These impacts include increased mining for the production of larger, higher capacity batteries, cargo transport fuel costs involved in production, and the impact of poor drivers on personal crusades against conventional automobiles which could lead directly into civil war and apocalypse over a mere gallon of gasoline.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > FocusedMark 12/07/2014 at 23:47

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MIT say otherwise. page 17

While PHEVs fueled with coal generation (without carbon capture and sequestration (CCS)) have lower CO2 emissions than those from an ICE, they have higher CO2 emissions than conventional hybrids.

CounterTorqueSteer > LappingLuke 12/07/2014 at 23:48

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I'm actually one of her favorite students. During our mid term conferences, her and I joked about how this paper will not be a personal attack on her. Luckily, I could get a D on the paper and still get an A for the class.

CounterTorqueSteer > JGrabowMSt 12/07/2014 at 23:51

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Your first sentence is eerily close to my current thesis. Thanks!

JGrabowMSt > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:56

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I wrote a paper several years ago about the importance of improving the production steps of building hybrid vehicles (right around the time the Prius was first released). I started out by identifying key weaknesses, and proposing solutions to either improve the production steps or outright move facility locations to better facilitate the production. Of course, it was all theoretical, and car companies have entire departments dedicated to working this stuff out, and whole industries aren't about to just move because it's better for someone else, but the paper wasn't about whether it would work in reality, only what would exist as a possibility.

LappingLuke > CounterTorqueSteer 12/07/2014 at 23:57

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Hahaha nice well lucky you on both counts! I was not so lucky when I wrote essays I knew would not please my teachers..

bob and john > CounterTorqueSteer 12/08/2014 at 00:00

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strip mining (both the actual mine and the machines running in it, id LOVE to see the emissions comming out of a bulldozer) shipment in large boats (doubt they have exhaust cats), waste from factories (not just the car plant, but now the battery plant as well) , then if its a plug in hybrid, the power coming from the wall isnt always from enviro friendly places (it might be from a coal plant)

expand to 12 pages.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > CounterTorqueSteer 12/08/2014 at 00:03

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I might be pulling an all nighter too. I'm building a paper model house though. It's due tomorrow.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CounterTorqueSteer 12/08/2014 at 00:03

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So much justification for twin turbo V12's and classics!

TDIGuy > CounterTorqueSteer 12/08/2014 at 00:05

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I wrote a research paper on the same thing last semester!

DavidHH > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 12/08/2014 at 00:44

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Except that you are not including the environmental cost of manufacture, which is appalling if you learn about Japan's "disposal" methods for toxic waste.

DavidHH > JGrabowMSt 12/08/2014 at 01:06

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I understand your last part, as I almost lost our Vanagon Westy to a pair of Prius owners staging an accident. At dusk, on a road market 45, were the average speed was 50 MPH, as soon as they trapped cars behind the pair of them, this pair waved to each other and suddenly braked down to 20 MPH. Fortunately I was in the right lane, the black SUV to my left got drilled, and an Ambulance was even damaged. When I caught up to them at a red light, and approached them on foot, one Prius ran a double red light. The other Prius owner told me that we "deserved having our cars wrecked for killing the environment" while closing his window. He then ran a double red light after getting a face full of safety glass, my only road rage.

In a previous encounter the other Prius driver slammed the door of her badly dented car into mine hard enough to leave a dent, while I was getting ready to leave the Grocery store. She gave this unbelievable tirade about "all that pollution coming out of my car" [steam], and it took considerable restraint and two members of the public to move her person so that I could leave without running her fat a$$ over.

I spoke with a member of our Police Force, who I got to know because of a Municipal Corruption problem, and learned that they had been doing this at the other side of the river, and that she is banned from driving, no longer has a car, but still has car payments. When I offered to testify in court and take the 30 days for breaking her friends window, I learned that was not necessary, as he is also banned.

DavidHH > CounterTorqueSteer 12/08/2014 at 01:22

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One suggestion, cover the environmental impact of the Japanese Auto Industry, which does not use "Cradle to Grave", for the handling of the Toxic Waste it produces. Some of it is treated or stored in the third world, and some it gets dumped in the ocean. The same was true for the US until the early 70s, except that third world was New Jersey. And the most shocking part is that Japan still keeps postponing the clean up for all the Chemical and Biological Weapons they dumped in China. Google "Japan incinerator ship", "Japan Unit 731", etc. Per-capita the Japanese are likely the worst industrial polluters in the world, but no one talks about it as most Industry's use Japanese content in their products.

CounterTorqueSteer > DavidHH 12/08/2014 at 01:47

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Thank you very much for the help.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > DavidHH 12/08/2014 at 02:28

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no I'm not including that, but Argonne National Library did and still found that Hybrid vehicles are better over a 160,000 mile lifetime compared to conventional ICE vehicles.

There are definitely concerns regarding sourcing material from China where they ignore safe guards when mining metals such as Lithium, and historically poor practices used in Canada for Nickel mining.. but those are avoidable and not inherent to the Hybrid vehicle themselves, rather than the business practices of the mining company.

got a link re: Japan toxic waste? Fukishima aside, I've read that they are one of the leading examples of e-waste recycling.

DavidHH > CounterTorqueSteer 12/08/2014 at 18:09

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You are welcome, even though I doubt your teacher would be pleased to know how her environmentally unfriendly cars manufacture was. Currently Japan is stating that they will clean up unit 731's bio weapons and chemical weapons starting in 2024, or they will just announce another 10 year delay, after all they have been doing that for decades.

DavidHH > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 12/08/2014 at 18:19

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Google unit 731, or japan incinerator ship. The best part is they have been caught dumping the toxic waste rather than operating the incinerator, since heavy bunker crude costs money.

Seriously, I've even seen pictures of a Japanese container ship off loading, off the east coast of Africa, because Kenya wouldn't take it. Some Central European companies do this too. I learned about this when I asked why a friend left a successful career as a merchant marine to join the Sea Sheppard. He explained that when they saw the containers and oil slick in the fog, they thought a container ship went down. So he grabbed his 35 mm and used it's telephoto lens and polarized filter to search for people in the water. And then they almost ran into the undamaged container ship off loading containers into the sea.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > DavidHH 12/08/2014 at 18:39

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unit 731 is totally unrelated. That's exactly like saying Germany are bad polluters because of Josef Mengele.

Still can't find anything specific to japan regarding incinerator ships.. a few on illegal shipment of hazardous waste to Phillipines marked as recyclables.

I wouldn't be surprised though, I've got friends in the Royal Australian Navy who have busted large container ships for marine pollution.

DavidHH > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 12/09/2014 at 17:01

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Japan's repeated inaction to remove the Chemical and Biological Weapons that were dumped in China, despite the US's diplomatic efforts makes the Japanese Governments view of Profits over the Environment, extremely clear.

If you didn't find anything about Japanese Incinerator Ships, then you really didn't look very hard. They are using methods of Toxic Waste Reduction that even France has given up, or just dumping if the cost of Oil is too high.

As for dumping off the coast of Somalia, this is something that has been done by Central European and Japanese Firms, and Al Jazeera has reported on it.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > DavidHH 12/09/2014 at 17:43

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no seriously, I got all the way up to page 4 on google without anything regarding japan's incinerator ships using various search terms, don't just tell me, link me man.

Google uses algorithms to bring relevant terms up, so if you find it easily it's because you've already been reading up on articles about it.

DavidHH > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 12/09/2014 at 18:27

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Try googling "japan ships toxic waste" to see their incinerators in places like Thailand. Less than half a year ago I found an article showing one of their orange incinerator ships, but I don't have time to look for it today.

The elephant in the room no one wants to discuss is Japanese Industry's Toxic Waste Disposal. The catch is that almost all industries use Japanese content, and thus every Nations Industry is contributing to the problem. Japan lacks the land to properly store Toxic Waste, or the Energy to Incinerate it and yet produces huge amounts of it.

I covered this subject in detail when I was a student at U of Michigan's school of Natural Resources. I even challenged my profs "Japanese cars are best for the environment" attitude without failing his class. But that was easy since I knew a grad student in the Cooperative Student Housing who covered it in detail.